Diesel plus HHO

[Coopdog01us]

What about running the msd propane setup and using one of those maf/map senser adjusters to lean out your fuel, and burn more propane?? seems like that would be the safer way to go.

[LMM.L]

I just talked to a guy yesterday that has one on his Dodges, it's a very simple homemade looking thing. He says it's like having a chip only without one, with improved mileage as well.

[01badLB7]

sorry for taking soooooo long to get back to you guys, but I have finally built and installed an on demand hydrogen generator on my 2005 cobalt,
upon initial test, I experianced an increase from 35MPG to 53.3MPG!!!!
however it appears now that the O2 sensors have caught on to my savings and are plotting to ruin my plans, I am pleased to anounce however that I have ordered a "dual edge map sensor enhancer" which will allow me to adjust for the fuel air mixture and fix the O2 sensors once and for all, I should hopefully receive it within the next few days, after I install, adjust and test it ill post again.

[chevyaddict]

Any chance you would be willing to share your design?

[01badLB7]

for sure its nothing special i actually got most of my idea from youtube, took about 2hrs to build.
i will be out of town away from technology for about a week, when i get back ill take pictures and post them

[chevyaddict]

How was the time away from civilization?
Any chance you can get those pics posted or sent over?

[Sandmanemtp]

I have been doing alot of research on this myself. I just purchased a 08 2500 crew cab long box. Seems the consensus is distilled water and KOH is the ideal. There are many respectable companies out there that are doing this. My worries are that the truck is brand new and I am not sure what the implecations would be if cought running it.

From what I have found you can receive a IRS tax credit for running any HHO generator on your vehicle. Unlike some states who jam it to the veggie oil runners for not paying the gas tax and claiming the credit for veggie oil, you can not get stiffed by the government for running HHO.

Following are excerpts from IRS Publication 535 :

You are allowed a limited deduction for the cost of clean-fuel vehicle property
and clean-fuel vehicle refueling property you place in service during the tax year.
Clean-burning fuels. The following are clean-burning fuels.

1. Natural gas.
2. Liquefied natural gas.
3. Liquefied petroleum gas.
4. Hydrogen.
5. Electricity.
6. Any other fuel that is at least 85% alcohol (any kind) or ether.

Deduction for Clean-Fuel Vehicle Property
The deduction for this property may be claimed regardless of whether the
property is used in a trade or business

Clean-fuel vehicle property. Clean-fuel vehicle property is either of the following
kinds of property.

Any property installed on a motor vehicle (including installation costs) to enable it
to be propelled by a clean-burning fuel.

Note: You will still need to consult with your tax advisor to ensure this deduction
applies to you.

One of the companies that I contacted said they are working on systems for the 08 Duramax. Appaerently some changes made recently, unsure what since I am new?

Also, for those making the systems, be very cautious of PVC applications. Holds the heat and melts. Bad Ju-ju.

Here is a very professional company and system I am looking at buying. Don't have the time or brains to make my own but I do agree it is simple.

360 lph HHO Booster [Alexis X100 kit] found at HHO Store Alexis X100 HHO Booster Kit by Hydroxy Technologies HHO Kit Hydrogen Cell Store.

Or: Zen Cart!, The Art of E-commerce

Big rig over the road diesels have been using this for awhile now with documented increases of 20-50% Some of these guys are going from 3 mpg to 12mpg. I have seen 05-06 modified fords getting 30mpg to 38 mpg.

Almost all the guys running the systems advise or say to get the full benefit of HHO you need to be able to lean the fuel down and trick the ecu when the O2 sensor calls for more fuel. This is the secrete to maxium increase in mpg.

This site has an oil additive that is suposed to ward off an side effects of the HHO injection. Go to the bottom. Hydrogen Generator for Diesel Hydrogen Injection (541) 255-2493

Comming big recently on the market is dry cell technology for these. The HHO generator at the above link is a dry cell. Metal looking box in bottom right of pic.

I believe this is a very viable option to increase fuel effeciency. My dream system would be my truck with a magnaflow big pipe and muffler delete kit, the Alexis X100 kit and some kind of performance chip. Although I do not know if one would be needed. Can anyone help me out with this huge puzzle I have.

If your system is getting to hot check your amp draw or your electrolyte mixture, could be wrong.

1. Is it wise to do it on the new truck. The tax credit would pay for it in the first year alone.

2. I am not aware of any HHO complications. Are you guys telling me something new?

3.Help. I just need some flat out help. Had a mechanic tell me not to do this until I reach 1,000 or 3,000 miles. To long to wait

[Sandmanemtp]

Here is some more information on questions I have asked.

1. Some systems I have found use distilled H2O and vinegar, while others use KOH and distilled H2O. What is best.

2. Some manufatures say that a VMU is not needed for Diesels', is this correct? They sell a unit that monitors voltage and temp only(PWM).

3. I understand that PVC is not good but what makes acrylics better. What about LUXAR?

4. What is the minimum l/p/m flow I need for the duramax? What if I went to a larger unit that supplied more then 3 l/p/m?

5. Where is the best place to install for a duramax?

6. Some manufactures are now pushing dry cell technology. Is this good stuff or another scam.

7. Should I let the vehicle break in first before adding an HHO.


To answer some of your questions,

1) KOH is the best electrolyte to use, the reason for this is that it the best electrical conductor that stays completely dissolved in the water as it is split into its separate molecules of H and O. the less resistance the better as resistance creates heat.

2) a vmu is not needed to improve your fuel millage on SOME vehicles that do not closely monitor the air fuel ratio via the exhaust. the MAIN reason for the VMU is to combine all the necessary sensor offsets to lean out the fuel mixture that you are supplementing with Hydroxy gas. if your vehicle has any sort of electrical fuel injection (you do with a durimax Diesel) then you will at the very least need an EFIE. but the VMU is not only for that. the VMU also controls the current flow Via the built in PWM that gets a signal from the temperature sensor on the cell. without this you will have no idea how hot your cells and could have a runaway effect.

3) Heat resistance, air tight seal (more importantly Hydrogen tight seal as hydrogen is the smallest molecule there is.), chemical compatibility, and of coarse you get the added bonus of getting to see all the tiny little bubbles, everyone loves to see the magic happen

4)couldn't say. every vehicle is different the larger the engine, the more HHO you need, but there is an arbitrary point for every engine where if you add too much HHO you will start to loose the added benefit of millage due to the flame propagation speed being so fast that it actually pushes the crankshaft in the opposite direction. you dont have to worry about this so much in a diesel, but if you are not mechanically inclined enough to fine tune the way that your engine runs you are better off simply adding little bits of Hydroxy gas until you no longer see a gain and stop there.

5)Same as any other vehicle. best place to get the most amount of air flow. in front of the radiator if possible. take a look at this forum where i posted my installation of the Alexis Cell 22_Alexis_Cell_On_1996_Honda_Civic | 35_Installations | Forum br /

6)Dry cell's work on the same principle as wet cells but require an additional unit to operate, a circulator. the advantage to dry cells is that you do not loose much efficiency to current leakage due to the fact that there is nowhere for the current to travel but through the water. The Alexis Cell as Very little current leakage and is Quite efficient.

7) how old is the truck? if this is a brand new vehicle i would suggest yes. that is just my personal opinion though. i don't believe that there have actually been any studies of effects of hydroxy supplementation on brand new engines. the reason i say yes, is that if for some reason you have some engine troubles with the vehicle during break-in, it can't be attributed to the Hydroxy gas. give the engine a few thousand K first. or about a thousand miles

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[iceman099]

Does a diesel have an 02 sensor or a map sensor? If they do were are they on a 2005 Duramax LLY ?

[ducesrwld]

been looking into this a lot myself and wondering about some of the initial posters if they have any data to report back yet....