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post #1 of 23 (permalink) Old 03-21-2013, 06:00 PM Thread Starter
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Hand calc vs. DIC mpg question

So it seems that everyone accepts the DIC fuel mileage calculator to be inaccurate and trusts the hand calculation method. My question is why?

There are known deficiencies with the flow rate measurements on your local gas pump. Temperature plays a role in fluid density which determines how much of that 'gallon' you actually get (you should try to fill up during the coolest part of the day). Also, the faster you pump, the more vapor is created within the fuel. The vapor gives false readings on the flow meter (you should fuel slowly to maximize your 'gallon'). Excessive fuel vapor and foam can also cause the pump to shut off early.

So basically, the system isn't perfect.

Now this is where my real question comes in: What is the precision of the fuel metering device on our trucks. These engines have precision fuel delivery systems, which would make me think that they can monitor fuel usage to extreme accuracy. This would theoretically be able to give a more accurate average and instantaneous fuel mileage report. Is this not the case? Or does GM purposely inflate the numbers (in the ecm) to make people think they are getting better mileage than they are?

Sorry if this has been answered before, but I couldn't find it anywhere.

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I have compared the last 18 fillups on my truck and the DIC averages 2 MPG better than actual hand calculate. I have considered changing the tire size in the ppe to compensate but am pretty sure if I do that the speedo will be off. I do not know of a way to calibrate the fuel mileage calculator.

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I have similar results, just wondering if anyone has experience with the fuel flow meter on the duramax, that could explain why we generally trust the hand calc over the potentially more accurate DIC.

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Sometimes my DIC mpg avg is the same as my hand calc. & when my DIC avg mpg is off, its by 1-1.5 mpg.


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snopes.com: Tips on Pumping Gas

I hand calc and monitor DIC every fill up, sometimes they are on some times they aint but they are usually pretty close. Either way i still do both.

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My DIC is off, but it is consistantly off by the same amount. So I do go by it, I just add 2.5 mpg and it is accurate.

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My DIC seems to be spot on, every once in awhile, it will be a little higher than what I hand calculate. Has anyone actually seen a DIC show less mpg than hand calc?

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Mine is weird sometimes it 2mpg high other times it's 4 mpg high. All I know is its high. Filled up the other day truck said 20 hand calculation was 16.4

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Can you apply the same reasoning to the fuel systems in our trucks? Pumps are tested and adjusted once a year (at least here in stl). Fuel is stored at ambient temp in our trucks which temps change depending on time of day. At fuel stations they are in ground at a constant temp year round. I use the same pump for my fill ups and fill up after work in the afternoon. My DIC is consistantly over by .5 mpg. I think both pump and truck are very consistant at least. Pumps actually measure volume. Our trucks dont. Its all based on charts with a hundred variables to tell the computer how long to open an injector. Im not an expert but it makes sense?
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Mine is close enough that I haven't done the hand calculation recently. If I put in maybe 20 gallons the DIC will say 19.7 used or something.
Very close.

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