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post #21 of 56 (permalink) Old 01-18-2020, 05:58 AM
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They are still not legal to use. Get a real jerk LEO and you can get towed worst case. No different than using non DOT approved tires.
Honestly, not really a concern in Florida, they don't really seem to care. Hell, we have jack asses down here that drive around with their light bars on.

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Diode Dynamics tested very well and I would say they are a top 5 bulb. You should check out these new Ultra Series 2 bulbs from GTR Lighting which I think might be the best LED on the market.

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Considering the media coverage and general whining from people around me regarding being blinded by LEDs (OE and aftermarket), I guarantee you that there will be some sort of response. I consider some of the aftermarket LED firms attempts to match the incandescent light dispersal to be a valiant effort for compliance. All it takes is a simple ordinance to allow LEOs to really rake in the cash. $200 is out of my price point as Id rather spend $100 on a LED bar connected to my high beams via simple relay and have somewhat of a legal setup.
Check this out I dealt with a Trooper that insisted that each little LED module in those long LED lightbars counts as an individual light. The Michigan Motor Vehicle Code only allows for a maximum of four headlights on at any given time. So high & low plus fog mod plus 108-led bar = 114 headlights per his interpretation. Maybe overcome it with installing a translucent lense?
The Cadillac headlights in the Escalades have like 12 LED headlight bulb modules. Id like to see how it interprets that. Regardless, just because the DOT approves it doesnt mean that the state shall allow it. Legal matters like this can get quite expensive for the driver. All the law enforcement office gets out of it is overtime earnings.


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No amount of claim will change the dynamics of the two.

Halogen reflectors bend and shape a 360* dispersal into a focused forward beam. Installing a strictly directional beam (LEDs) into a housing designed to bend and fold a 360, still results in a trip down clown glare lane.

Claiming the cob position is the same as the center of the halogen element...just weird science.
One's still directional, one is not.

In Texas, they finally got rid of the HID crap, failing yearly inspections if they weren't installed in a projector housing. Nice.

Now we have the LED crap to deal with at night.
Sux is back in style.

But my 4800 lumens 9011s win the glare-off battle every time.

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Considering the media coverage and general whining from people around me regarding being blinded by LED’s (OE and aftermarket), I guarantee you that there will be some sort of response. I consider some of the aftermarket LED firms attempts to match the incandescent light dispersal to be a valiant effort for compliance. All it takes is a simple ordinance to allow LEO’s to really rake in the cash. $200 is out of my price point as I’d rather spend $100 on a LED bar connected to my high beams via simple relay and have somewhat of a legal setup.
Check this out — I dealt with a Trooper that insisted that each little LED module in those long LED lightbars counts as an individual light. The Michigan Motor Vehicle Code only allows for a maximum of four headlights on at any given time. So high & low plus fog mod plus 108-led bar = 114 headlights per his interpretation. Maybe overcome it with installing a translucent lense?
The Cadillac headlights in the Escalades have like 12 LED headlight bulb modules. I’d like to see how it interprets that. Regardless, just because the DOT approves it doesn’t mean that the state shall allow it. Legal matters like this can get quite expensive for the driver. All the law enforcement office gets out of it is overtime earnings.

You are going to waste more time/money screwing around installing some ugly cheap lightbar that will probably have a short lifespan. Spend the extra $50-$100 on a quality set of bulbs that are plug/play with an OEM beam pattern. Then make sure your headlights are aimed properly and you are done.

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Considering the media coverage and general whining from people around me regarding being blinded by LED’s (OE and aftermarket), I guarantee you that there will be some sort of response. I consider some of the aftermarket LED firms attempts to match the incandescent light dispersal to be a valiant effort for compliance. All it takes is a simple ordinance to allow LEO’s to really rake in the cash. $200 is out of my price point as I’d rather spend $100 on a LED bar connected to my high beams via simple relay and have somewhat of a legal setup.
Check this out — I dealt with a Trooper that insisted that each little LED module in those long LED lightbars counts as an individual light. The Michigan Motor Vehicle Code only allows for a maximum of four headlights on at any given time. So high & low plus fog mod plus 108-led bar = 114 headlights per his interpretation. Maybe overcome it with installing a translucent lense?
The Cadillac headlights in the Escalades have like 12 LED headlight bulb modules. I’d like to see how it interprets that. Regardless, just because the DOT approves it doesn’t mean that the state shall allow it. Legal matters like this can get quite expensive for the driver. All the law enforcement office gets out of it is overtime earnings.

You are going to waste more time/money screwing around installing some ugly cheap lightbar that will probably have a short lifespan. Spend the extra $50-$100 on a quality set of bulbs that are plug/play with an OEM beam pattern. Then make sure your headlights are aimed properly and you are done.
There are ALOT of idiots in Texas who don't know you can adjust headlights!! Properly adjusted headlights and LED bulbs in a projector housing yields a pretty accurate light path and doesn't blind the oncoming driver.

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No amount of claim will change the dynamics of the two.

Halogen reflectors bend and shape a 360* dispersal into a focused forward beam. Installing a strictly directional beam (LEDs) into a housing designed to bend and fold a 360, still results in a trip down clown glare lane.

Claiming the cob position is the same as the center of the halogen element...just weird science.
One's still directional, one is not.

In Texas, they finally got rid of the HID crap, failing yearly inspections if they weren't installed in a projector housing. Nice.

Now we have the LED crap to deal with at night.
Sux is back in style.

But my 4800 lumens 9011s win the glare-off battle every time.

Did you watch any of the videos ? They test LED bulbs in actual headlight housings showing that the beam pattern in fact can be duplicated. The problem is there is very few companies who are spending the $$$ on R&D to put out a quality bulb that duplicates the OEM beam pattern. As with most things quality comes with a price but so many people buy the cheap junk that puts out nothing but blinding glare.

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There are ALOT of idiots in Texas who don't know you can adjust headlights!! Properly adjusted headlights and LED bulbs in a projector housing yields a pretty accurate light path and doesn't blind the oncoming driver.
We have plenty of idiots here in Montana that are the same way. There are so many that have the drivers side light point up and to left so it blinds you even on low beam. On Moby I have JW Speaker headlights that are ridiculously bright but have a great beam pattern. I have them adjusted per there spec and nobody flashes me when I have my low beams on.

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Did you watch any of the videos ?
Honestly, no. I know what I know and didn't want to waste the bandwidth.

Maybe they've come close......but they're probably all 6000k which is far from the optimum color for distance vision of the human eye at night. The correct color is too costly to produce, it seems.

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Honestly, no. I know what I know and didn't want to waste the bandwidth.

Maybe they've come close......but they're probably all 6000k which is far from the optimum color for distance vision of the human eye at night. The correct color is too costly to produce, it seems.
I use to be the same way when it came to LED bulbs thanks to all the people that bought the cheap glare junk. Then I started to watch all these test videos where they go in depth and talk about beam patterns, build quality, heat sink, R&D, color, lux/lumen, clocking of bulbs, etc and learned a lot.

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I drive 130 miles r/t for work on a 55MPH rural highway that is quite busy and Im absolutely sick of the crappy LEDs. That goes for certain OEMs too. I think the worst of the worst are the dudes that put a 10 lift on their 07+ GMT900 and then install horrible LED bulbs. Its like a double whammy. Im legally blind for about a minute when those dillweeds drive past me. I digress...


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