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post #1 of 16 (permalink) Old 09-18-2019, 11:37 AM Thread Starter
 
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Now what? Emissions present build.

I purchased my 16í about 2 years ago and have waited while trying to educate myself prior to shelling out thousands and honestly I am glad that I did. I have plotted and schemed every way imaginable to stealth delete and get the performance/longevity/reliability but in the end I never really had the balls or knowledge to pull the trigger to risk the tens of thousands I have invested into this Vehicle. Itís my DD, Tow Pig and main family ride. Ultimately the path I had in my mind is not worth the trouble of the emissions rigmarole, anxiety of the random traffic stop turned impound or heavy unexpected fines or whatever else worst case scenario. So for now I will grab my straw and suck it up.

The question is, and probably for most; Now what?

I am not a drag racer and I donít beat my rides. I pay too much money to trash my sh!t and waste gas money with endless pulls from stop signs. In the end I am seeking MPGís, less DEF and less regens!

For those who are choosing to comply and live within a reasonable budget where do we begin?

Leave it at Intake & EZ-Lynk?
Compound kit? ( Out of the gate already out building my Allison? An additional 5-6k Suncoast build? - Inherently doubling the bill )
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I'd be very, very surprised if you could fit a twin kit under the hood with all of the emissions b.s. still in place.

I'm sure someone who knows better will correct me, if it can be done.

I'll admit, intact tuning is very enticing. I am just hesitant to try it until someone has ran it reliably for thousands of miles

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Ö...have plotted and schemed every way imaginable to stealth delete and get the performance/longevity/reliability but in the end I never really had the balls or knowledge to pull the trigger to risk the tens of thousands I have invested into this Vehicle...Ö.Now what? I am not a drag racer and I donít beat my rides.signs. In the end I am seeking MPGís, less DEF and less regens! )
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I "share your pain".....! Bone stock at this moment...awaiting a guy who took my money to order parts for a "complete delete".

Right now my fifty thousand dollar investment is useless to me...stuck in "REDUCED POWER MODE" meaning it can barely move...certainly useless for what I need it for ( pulling trailers). Some in here think EPA may eventually get its way and a national inspection. I signed up for the "complete delete" and paid in advance for the parts, on the assumption that being (at least for now it is) in a no inspection area....

What triggered the "REDUCED ENGINE POWER" is, I am assuming, a stuffed DPF...but I cant see anything on my exhaust system that looks like the DPF's advertised on the "net". I am told it would be about three grand to get a new DPF and a re-set. But then what...how many miles before the damned new DPF shuts me down again?

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I'd be very, very surprised if you could fit a twin kit under the hood with all of the emissions b.s. still in place.

I'm sure someone who knows better will correct me, if it can be done.

I'll admit, intact tuning is very enticing. I am just hesitant to try it until someone has ran it reliably for thousands of miles
WCFAB has a bolt on twin kit if I am not mistaken.

DMaxTuner also offers one in which they paired with WCFab as well.

From the hints that Kory is throwing down in his social media responses is something great is in the works and about to drop ( unknown timeline ) in a collaboration between them, Banks & ATS. I hope it isn’t just for L5P and up and they don’t leave the rest of us behind. I’m not rebuying a truck! Haha!
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Oh really? I wasn't aware of twin kits available for emissions intact trucks. That's pretty damn cool. They must really leave no elbow room in the engine bay lol.

Wehrli and duramax tuner do some cool stuff together. I know they aren't the favorite of a lot of guys on here, but they always treated me right. Also helps that both shops are only about an hour away from me.

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Looks like 37s? Throw some 4.56s in for a start imo.

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If you're looking to stay emissions compliant and get the most out of your vehicle your best bet is to get with duramax tuner and see what they can do. I know they put a compound kit on a duramax with emmisions in place with Wehrli as stated previously. They seem to be the only ones that are pushing the envelope on higher HP applications while staying compliant. At the end of the day you are still going to be wasting fuel and not getting the best MPG you can get cause you're still having to deal with regens.
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Looks like 37s? Throw some 4.56s in for a start imo.
Yes, they're 37's. I will look into a re-gearing, thank you!

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If you're looking to stay emissions compliant and get the most out of your vehicle your best bet is to get with duramax tuner and see what they can do. I know they put a compound kit on a duramax with emmisions in place with Wehrli as stated previously. They seem to be the only ones that are pushing the envelope on higher HP applications while staying compliant. At the end of the day you are still going to be wasting fuel and not getting the best MPG you can get cause you're still having to deal with regens.
I will shoot out an email to DT and see what is possible, thanks!

It sounds so simple to just want overall efficiency achieved across all levels while keeping compliant. If higher HP is an effect of what is done it just goes in the bonus pile but it's not the main goal of the tuning/modifications.
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I think you would be happy with emission compliant tuning, probably from Duramaxtuner, and gears. Transmission tuning and a good torque converter would be next.

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All tuners that did or do delete tunes still offer very good emissions compliant tuning. Theres very little difference in it. Dt has just been doing only emissions compliant longer since motorops is basically a sister company out of the country that does their delete tunes. They were ahead of the game in that aspect. When all this first started if you called dt for delete tunes they just sold you motorops tuning instead of redirecting you to them.

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