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post #1961 of 2009 (permalink) Old 10-31-2019, 08:52 PM
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If your referring to the set-up on post 1945, a few feet maybe.
Not with a ball mount for the small trailer, one little bump will end up with slight turn the trailer will start turning out of control until you stop.
You cannot control the trailer to just turn slightly, with a ball mount hitch.
Now maybe if your backing down hill a little the force might keep it straight for a few more feet.

Now if the guy prefers to believe you he can continue trying with failures along the way.
What everyone does with set of doubles as pictured is drops the rear trailer in in a convenient area, sets up his/hers trailer then goes back a hook up his little trailer and take it to camp.

Even with the big rigs set of doubles, if your on a perfectly flat road you might be able to back up 20'-30' max.
The hitch set up is a little more complexed and takes a little more effort for the trailer to stay straight.


Your post does not even count for what us rv'ers use for hitches on doubles.
Mr 77cruiser that has a big difference hitch set-up than a simple ball mount and/or even the hay/grain wagons.
Pay closer attention to what your posting for comparisons, a few will fall for this.
I am talking about big truck doubles. I hauled truckload heavy haul for years. We would never pull the dolly out of the back trailer. If we did take them part we would just hook the dolly to the tractor to put the back one up. But when you start out with the front one longer than the back one it is easier. 40 \ 25 sets are the easiest. You start out getting fairly straight from the door and back up. After a few dozen times you learn to make small turns. After a few hundred times you can back them around a corner. And do it with the more difficult even sized short trailers. I have never done it with the type you have but I have done it many times with B train doubles. That is where the longer front trailer has a fifth wheel on it and the back trailer sits on that. That is much easier. So I think what you have would be more like that. It is a skill that takes practice. But it can be done. Now triples can not be done as there is no way to change direction of the middle trailer fast enough. The secret as I said is very small corrections very early. And learning right where the front of the back trailer needs to be lined up on the front one when you start to follow the dolly. If it's not somewhat straight back you need to pull up a couple times when you get the back trailer in line. One thing you can't do is change directions even to straighten out. You need to pull up and get things straight and then start back again. But you can not turn the dolly fast enough to change it's direction even a little bit. That requires a pull up or two.

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In looking at the post 1945 that would be tough. The problem is not how short the back one is. The problem is the long overhang on the front one. It would turn the back one real fast. It could be done but only fairly straight back. And it would be real tough to learn. But we hook very short dollies to the front trailer and back them to the back trailer all the time even 90 degree turns. So it could be done. I know I could do it. No more than maybe a 5 or 10 degree turn though.

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It is very sensitive with two, compared to just a single.

I think that's the hardest part to get a feel for, as you're using the middle trailer to swing the rear. Just a leee-tuuul bit of truck steer gets magnified a lot.

But once ya get it all to 'click', it's a fun "Ah hah!" moment. .
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All I can suggest is try it one time then report back with disappointment.
Towing only a 5th wheel compared to a ball mount there really isnít much difference backing, other than turning the steering wheel the correct direction when backing.

Towing a 5th wheel with a ball mount trailer behind as doubles, backing up is frustrating.
You wonít be able to back up very far before that trailer jackknifes.

Even my motorhome flat towing my Geo tracker, I can only back up a couple feet before the towbar starts getting in a bind.
If Iíve over shot where Iím stopping I have to disconnect, so I donít do something stupid damaging my towbar, itís not like a trailer.
Done this since 1995.

Iíve got a few years under my belt doing this for a living and personal use including doubles.
You are never supposed to back up flat tow. When backing the steering geometry is wrong and the wheels turn the wrong way. It will damage something. As for 2 trailers just because you can't do it doesn't mean it can't be done. Some people see how it has to go and some don't.

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If your referring to the set-up on post 1945, a few feet maybe.
Not with a ball mount for the small trailer, one little bump will end up with slight turn the trailer will start turning out of control until you stop.
You cannot control the trailer to just turn slightly, with a ball mount hitch.
Now maybe if your backing down hill a little the force might keep it straight for a few more feet.

Now if the guy prefers to believe you he can continue trying with failures along the way.
What everyone does with set of doubles as pictured is drops the rear trailer in in a convenient area, sets up his/hers trailer then goes back a hook up his little trailer and take it to camp.

Even with the big rigs set of doubles, if your on a perfectly flat road you might be able to back up 20'-30' max.
The hitch set up is a little more complexed and takes a little more effort for the trailer to stay straight.


Your post does not even count for what us rv'ers use for hitches on doubles.
Mr 77cruiser that has a big difference hitch set-up than a simple ball mount and/or even the hay/grain wagons.
Pay closer attention to what your posting for comparisons, a few will fall for this.
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You are never supposed to back up flat tow. When backing the steering geometry is wrong and the wheels turn the wrong way. It will damage something. As for 2 trailers just because you can't do it doesn't mean it can't be done. Some people see how it has to go and some don't.

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Duh, yup, 25 years and still counting flat towing behind my motorhome, I was just mentioning that you might have to get off your a$$ and unhook.
The only way it goes is sideways after several feet unless your backing down grade, the weight force will help keep it straighter.
I don't care how many claims they back this set-up doubles around all over the place, typical manly bull chit.
I've towed something for a living since 1970, including doubles, big rigs and little rigs, I didn't fall off the turnip truck, I jumped off.

Here we are back at this we (well most that know anything) was talking about 5th wheel and doubles with a small ball mount short trailer, your referring to big rigs with big ass heavy tires tight coupler heavy a$$ trailer which will help keep the trailer a little more stable when backing.

In case you don't know this is a Chevy/GMC light duty/med duty diesel forum not Big Rig truckster trailer forum.

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I was able to back up my 2 bumper pulls, but i had to start out straight, go slow and pull up once in awhile. Its certainly not easy.
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Looks like that rest stop on 191 north of Jackson. Is it?
Yes, just past Moran near Oxbow Bend.



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Towed up a dirt road..... for a day or two
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It's that time of year again. Time to get the camper out for another cross country road trip. Too bad I didn't get it off the mountain before a foot of snow got dumped on it earlier this week.



Hard to make out but I had to get up on the roof with a push broom to get the snow and ice off. Spent about an hour up there.



Time to chain up. First time I ever used them. Yes, I'm reading the instructions.

The trail that leads to my campsite was completely covered in ice, as it had been plowed and thawed a bit but then refroze. Barely walkable; forget about getting 20k lbs of crap through the pair of switchback turns on a 10 percent grade to the bottom of the hill (especially since some moron thought it would be a great idea to park his 2WD Fiat at the base of the hill right before it makes a hard right). My Army Gore-Tex gear made its money last night (and into this morning).



Initial chain installation -- they're on there, but not quite tight enough. A little back-and-forth and retightening fixed it.



All buttoned up and ready to roll out.









After a bit of tightening.





And here's the trail coming down the mountain. Hope you'll pardon half the field of view being obscured by the dashboard; my wife is vertically challenged (4'10").



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