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Issue Throttle position sensor reading at idle

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#1 ·
Hi guys new to the form having issues with my throttle position sensor being way off on my 2009 Duramax Lmm at engine idle foot off throttle my throttle position sensor is reading 99% I have already replaced the complete accelerator pedal assembly and unplugged both batteries for 35 minutes and tried all the reset/relearn procedures posted online still reading 99% at idle I have Gm tech 2 scanner but don’t have laptop for Tis2000 software so only able to use just scanner mods done I have full hsp egr delete kit, 4” downpipe back exhaust no muffler ,efi live tunes , upgraded y bridge and 4” cold air intake , upgraded hot and cold side pipe , new turbo vane sensor , 3” downpipe, upgraded 2” passenger and driver up-pipes , upgraded head studs and new head gaskets please help anybody have any ideas why it’s ready 99% full throttle at idle ?? It idles fine my Air/fuel is off its reading 0.6-1 ratio and exhaust smell burns eyes..Before I uploaded my efi tunes I had the throttle position issues and exhaust smell and air/fuel ratio issues so it’s not tune issues also I metered out pedal sensors and harness
This is My Pedal Readings

* With harness unplugged from pedal key on engine off Both 5volt reference at plug tested C test 4.99 volts and D test 5 volts key on engine off APP sensor 1 with harness plugged into pedal key on engine off reads .56 volts and when pedal is pressed to floor it reads 2.36 volts App Senor 2 with harness plugged into pedal key on engine off it reads .28 volts and when pedal is pressed to floor it reads 1.07 volts

*With harness unplugged from pedal and key on engine off app sensor 1 reads 0 volts with harness unplugged from pedal key on engine off app sensor 2 reads 0 volts
With harness plugged into pedal key on engine off 5 volt Reference C reads 5 Volts and 5 Volt reference D reads 5 Volts

Key on engine off Ohms low reference F and sensor 1 reads 1.22 ohms then pedal pressed reads 1.92 ohms low reference A and sensor 2 reads 1.18 ohms and pedal pressed reads 1.72
 

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#3 ·
This might be what you are looking at on your scan tool.. It looks like a gas engine throttle body.. Intake air valve and throttle body are the same thing on a diesel.


Intake Air (IA) Valve
The intake air (IA) valve is located upstream of the intake air heater, and is normally in the open position. The ECM commands the valve to close in order to precisely control combustion temperature control during exhaust particulate filter (EPF) regeneration. The IA valve will ensure the temperature of the exhaust gas remains in an efficient range under all operating conditions. The IA valve system uses a position sensor located within the valve assembly to monitor the position of the valve. The IA valve uses a motor to move the valve to a closed position and spring tension returns it to the open position. The motor is operated through Motor Control 1 and 2 circuits
 
#4 ·
No codes but I know it’s not running right by the exhaust smell it don’t smell like normal diesel smell smells strong and burns eyes like grey or white haze at idle which probably because my Air/fuel ratio is way off it’s reading 0.6 : 1 Ratio yeah that’s not a typo that’s what all 3 of my scanners are saying and the intake air flow valve heater was removed and unplugged the Intake valve is saying it’s 100% open which would mean max air flow coming in just not understanding why throttle sensor is reading 99% at idle and when I give it throttle it goes to 100% then I let off the throttle and goes back to 99% throttle at idle with foot off throttle I’ve read normal throttle should be between 10-14 % at idle anyone have any ideas or can point me in right direction
 
#5 ·
The Accelerator Position Sensor and Throttle Position Sensor are not the same..
The APP is what you want to monitor..
(Hook your scan tool to another truck and see what it reads) This will verify if you have a problem.
Throttle Position on the scan tool is the air intake valve.. The scan tool does not know it is gone, it's just reading what it sees with the connector unplugged..
Your chasing a ghost with your scan tool..
Your air to fuel ratio might be an air leak.. There should be codes but with deleted tuning it might not set codes..
 
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#6 ·
If you have no CEL's and it runs and pulls fine, dont F-ck with....no sense in creating a potentially bigger problem.
 
#7 ·
That’s the issue it idles fine but at idle I’m getting 12psi reading on Map sensor with foot off pedal and tried to get on it and kinda seemed like it was bogged out and definitely wondering why my air/fuel ratio is reading .6 to 1 ratio shouldn’t it be like 18:1 ??? Mines at .6:1 at idle and does not change when I push on pedal
 
#9 ·
Duramax Diesel Airflow Leak Equivalency Ratio..
0.86:1 to 1.20:1 for a 2007-2010 LMM engine..
I don't know of any other air ratio reading from ECM.
Scan tool definitions seem to be generic.. Familiarize yourself with the readings you have so you are not chasing your tail..

If the ALER reading (with EGR position at 0%) is less than 0.86:1 for a 2007-2010 LMM engine:

Inspect for anything which could result in an unexpected rise in measured airflow. This would include leaks in the boosted side of the Turbo (not including the EGR valve) or a shifted/skewed MAF sensor. In rare cases, an aftermarket low restriction exhaust system could also cause low readings.
 
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That is a perfectly normal reading at idle..

If you feel it is not running right, I would look at your tunes..
There's nothing else that that could be wrong without setting codes.
 
#16 ·
Doesn’t sound like an upgrade. You have a bad tune. Probably the pilot injection is not correct, and pushing too much fuel. Your MAP is at 12 psi because that’s the barometric presssure.
 
#17 ·
I don't know where FOX88 is, but I'm at about 1000 ft. My map always reads a little lower than the local airport. Could be off a little but probably not the problem to be solved. MAP sensors are fairly cheap if you want to replace it.

The typical pressure at sea level is 1013.25 millibars or 14.7 pounds per square inch.
 
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