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discus the viability of 2022 electric truck.. ok and I have done that.. NOT VIABLE the current infrastructure can't keep the lights on... and they are going backward by shutting down their most reliable source of bulk electricity in the state by mothballing their nuclear plants and fossil fuel was out long ago...

I am not a politician.. I have a brian, a degree, and a profession.. I solve problems, I dont create them

dont like others opinions.. dont start a thread..

just sayin...

my way or the highway.. now you sound like a politician .. and a socialist one to boot.. which you probably are not... given that you have a diesel truck .. the then again I know a lot of left leaning hypocrites ...
That is my signal to move on to a more productive thread ...
 

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Well that means it’s time to move onto another thread without ranting douchebags. May your stock truck excite you.
Well now---to call someone a foul names? I did not take you apart piece by piece for your post above or call you foul names now did I? Oh well the internet is full of cowboys that are all hat, no cattle like this guy.
 

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so ... viability ... its ALL ABOUT the INFRASTRUCTURE...

I dont care it the vehicle does zero - 100 in 2 seconds and runs on unobtanium... if you can't refuel the unobtainium than you are driving a paperweight...

so lets look at range.. since the advert is a pie in the sky feel good fluff piece that has zero technical details because its a concept designed to part fool from money in a very Muskian fashion we dont know the planned kv of the motors etc.. but lets use a car with a much lower amperage requirement than a truck and much higher efficiency .. .let alone the amperage draw for towing...

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this is the electricity required for charging .. lets look at 50kw it only adds 150 miles of range for every HOUR of charging... so that's 1 hour of charging for every 2 hours of driving .. hope you like pulling over often... again... NOT TOWING.. this is for a car...

here is a 50kw solar array .. dont think you will have the room to set this up on the side of the road.. ... good luck
50kW Rooftop solar array for testing of Redeployable Solar ...


ever seen 'prius row'... a group of charging stations ... good luck getting a truck with a trailer into and out of one...

so there is more infrastructure required..
can't produce enough electricity
there aren't enough charging stations on the side of the road as it its..
and the charging station won't have the physical room for truck / trailer combos or provide quick charging in capacities that are needed for towing...

infrastructure....
 

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reality has to play into technical solutions... and unfortunately I know far to many engineers and absolutely zero politicians understand reality... peter pans that have to be returned to earth when their heads get to far out into the clouds... and be brought back into the adult conversation of reality...
 

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Speaking of adult conversation, it seems to me like this thread isn’t heading in that direction. There are many different directions that the discussion of this vehicle could go but I think it would be best if whatever direction you guys would like to take it, let’s try to keep it civil all around please. (y)
 

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Speaking of adult conversation, it seems to me like this thread isn’t heading in that direction. There are many different directions that the discussion of this vehicle could go but I think it would be best if whatever direction you guys would like to take it, let’s try to keep it civil all around please. (y)
My apologies. Got a 4 year old and 6 year old not listening at the park currently and the derailing of my good intentions thread with off-topic personal rants pushed me over the edge (especially since I asked nicely and received a crappy response). But I am man enough to apologize for losing my cool.

However, kids are back home, tomorrow is Monday, and I have our UTV turbo install and fuel mapping to complete ... so enough talk about working on something ... time to go do it ... have a good Sunday afternoon / evening gentlemen.
 

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My apologies. Got a 4 year old and 6 year old not listening at the park currently and the derailing of my good intentions thread with off-topic personal rants pushed me over the edge (especially since I asked nicely and received a crappy response). But I am man enough to apologize for losing my cool.

However, kids are back home, tomorrow is Monday, and I have our UTV turbo install and fuel mapping to complete ... so enough talk about working on something ... time to go do it ... have a good Sunday afternoon / evening gentlemen.
I don't know what you consider 'personal ranting' .... nobody here is attacking you... or mentioning any presidential campaigns... just stupid decision being made around the country with regards to supporting basic public utilities and their capacities...

we are discussing the fallacy of the logistics and infrastructure that limit the utility / feasibility of the vehicle you started this thread to discuss.. so maybe I am missing something... but whatever...

some people like their caddy's painted pink with furry bull horns on the hood too.. to each their own... hehe
 

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Ok, I apologize if I contributed to the demise of this thread in any way. I thought I stayed fairly civil but I am pretty opinionated and it can be pretty challenging to keep that under wraps.

Back to the Hummer, I question their claims. Maybe they came up with a new torque scale somehow? Big trucks have moved to high torque tires as their torque approached 2,000 lb/ft, and that's 14 or 16 ply 24.5" big heavy duty truck tires. Not sure what LT tires they plan on using to contain 11,000 lb/ft of torque? Or maybe they're glamorizing the torque rating somehow? It's just so far out of the realm of what we consider normal, something's up.

But like I said, it's cool. Probably not something I'll be in the market for, but hey, if they sell, more power to them.
 

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This was fantastic to read thank you all for that lol. I hope the new hummer is a bas @$$ but we all know its going to have its problems and leave people stranded and yatta yatta yatta. It happens with all electric vehicles and petrol/diesel vehicles as well. If they can prove the power and battery life expectancy than we'll talk but I honestly don't like the look of the truck and something about having to stop and fuel up gets me. It gives you a chance to check out things and make sure everything is ok and in 5 min your back on the road. As for all the political talk im sure ol Joe babysniffer doesn't drive a diesel truck so ill keep mine for as long as I can. I feel bad for California but I'm in Colorado and we are getting all the run aways from cali here so they are changing laws rapidly i wish they would swim to Venezuela or something and stop coming here but whatever. Anyways im glad gm is trying something I would hate the see them left behind like they were last time when everyone was making fuel efficient cars and gm was killing it on the trucks and then the generation of the tree hugger came to be and gm plummeted. Got to keep your head in the game lol
 

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People forget what it takes to make those batteries. And what they cost when you have to replace them.
I’ve mined most of my career and tho I am no tree hugger I do not agree with strip mining, which is what happens to get lithium. Google a lithium mine.
If it was in America it would have been outlawed along time ago. But out of site out of mind. Imagine a hole in the ground miles wide and long benched and shelved deeep into the ground. All big equipment too that uses a lot of diesel to create that battery. We use Cat 988k and komatsu wa600 for loaders when mining which are 100-120k pound loaders. in one shift, which is about 12 hours, one loader will drink over 120 gallons of diesel and almost 15 gallons of def. We run 2 shifts 22-24 hours a day 6 days a week. that’s just an example on what a piece of big mining equipment uses. I laugh at people who think their Prius is awesome.
I think we need to get away from mass produced battery powered cars. then again idk how to build cars or what the answer is to world pollution. BUT this hummer is stupid for an example I can’t even weed wack my little ass front and back yard without whipping out another battery so how’s all that power going to haul shit lol. I’ll bet tow ratings are far worse then people think. 1000 hp lol why? So you can haul ass to the next town who MIGHT have a charge port.
have at it if you want to look like a damn idiot. Driving an electric vehicle implies you want better for the earth. But in reality after what I have said which is factual you are doing the world worse and in a big hummer so you look even dumber.
And like the gentlemen said before me on here there are already states having issues keeping their lights on.
diesel is the best thing we have right now in my opinion. Give electric cars more time and who knows. I won’t be driving one tho my wife can make a sound out of her pussy that’s louder then these things.
 

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11k ft-lbs is marketing wank. 950 ft-lbs x 3.10 first gear = 2945 ft-lbs x 3.73 final gear ratio = 10,984.85 ft-lbs. I don't know if that's exactly accurate but you get the idea.

I have nothing against electric vehicles, more cheap fuel for me. I just don't like marketing wank.
 

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BUT this hummer is stupid lol I can’t even weed wack my little ass front and back yard without whipping out another battery.
That's why my weedeater is still gas, a 1988 model in fact, they may get to bury me with it if I don't last too many more years:) All my outdoor power equipment is gas in fact. Most of my shop equipment is corded. Battery powered stuff is convenient, just not as useful as tools with real power. I like real power...that doesn't quit:)
And yeah, I called the new Hummer cool but it's obviously not practical. I'm gonna step out on a limb and say it's not viable either. There's tons of products out there that aren't practical but as long as someone will buy them, does that make them viable? Maybe.
I just heard on the news yesterday that Kenworth is introducing a Class 8 rig that will cover approximately 150 miles before requiring a 3.5 hour high power charge (would take days on a standard outlet). Sounds pretty impractical to me but maybe it'll work fine in city trucks. So maybe it's viable.
So back to the Hummer viability. I guess if it sells maybe that makes it viable today but to another poster's point, when the time comes that we have so many electric vehicles that we can't charge them at will like we can fuel up normal vehicles, then the viability of electrics comes into question.
 

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LOL I am a oil producer.... I am going to look at one very hard just for the performance. Will still use the oil burner to go to the ranch and oilfield in NM but here it is only 80 miles to where I need to go. If it turns out to not be as advertised then it will be a no go. Imagine one equipped or "hard loaded" will be 100k or so. Time will tell but the fact of the matter remains is all of the automotive companies world wide are not spending money developing new any ICE's for the out years. Even the C9 which will be replacing the just released C8 will be a non ICE. Handwriting is on the wall here oil is not the long term solution for energy for most all "personal transportation" solutions of the future. Yes that sucks for me but it will not happen overnight.

Just have to look at history on the towns and areas built on the coal industry at the turn of the century. I am sure many people then thought the same thing about coal as some here do oil. There will be a place for oil but the use will decrease globally every year in the not to distant future. That is an undisputable fact.
 

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Well now---to call someone a foul names? I did not take you apart piece by piece for your post above or call you foul names now did I? Oh well the internet is full of cowboys that are all hat, no cattle like this guy.
we’re all adults here. This site is a lot like Facebook. If it’s going to be a lot like that then we’re going to have to get some grown up ears Dave.
LOL I am a oil producer.... I am going to look at one very hard just for the performance. Will still use the oil burner to go to the ranch and oilfield in NM but here it is only 80 miles to where I need to go. If it turns out to not be as advertised then it will be a no go. Imagine one equipped or "hard loaded" will be 100k or so. Time will tell but the fact of the matter remains is all of the automotive companies world wide are not spending money developing new any ICE's for the out years. Even the C9 which will be replacing the just released C8 will be a non ICE. Handwriting is on the wall here oil is not the long term solution for energy for most all "personal transportation" solutions of the future. Yes that sucks for me but it will not happen overnight.

Just have to look at history on the towns and areas built on the coal industry at the turn of the century. I am sure many people then thought the same thing about coal as some here do oil. There will be a place for oil but the use will decrease globally every year in the not to distant future. That is an undisputable fact.
Ya how’s that job going lol? I left the field in 2016. I used to go in and doze lease roads and pads for your drills except in North Dakota among other stuff. Your right about coal and oil back in the day for sure but we still use both ALOT. and I’m sorry but batteries are not there yet specially for something that’s towing and idk if you knew this but we don’t have an unlimited supply of lithium either. I know they’re developing different kinds of batteries but still we are running out of lithium. I get these MSHA weekly news letters and I’ve read a lot about it. Some countries are planning on outlawing strip mining which would make these batteries pretty expensive when they’re already really expensive. Idk maybe it’s the route to take. Also you came rolling up in an electric car out in North Dakota lol you’d get run off bud.
 

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Bottom line, many if not everyone need to understand, electric vehicles give some the feeling of helping the alleged planet pollution problem. But it's actually doing significantly more harm than good. Planet pollution is never going away, to create behavior that's borderline schizoid for some isn't going to help it either. My .02
 

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we’re all adults here. This site is a lot like Facebook. If it’s going to be a lot like that then we’re going to have to get some grown up ears Dave.

Ya how’s that job going lol? I left the field in 2016. I used to go in and doze lease roads and pads for your drills except in North Dakota among other stuff. Your right about coal and oil back in the day for sure but we still use both ALOT. and I’m sorry but batteries are not there yet specially for something that’s towing and idk if you knew this but we don’t have an unlimited supply of lithium either. I know they’re developing different kinds of batteries but still we are running out of lithium. I get these MSHA weekly news letters and I’ve read a lot about it. Some countries are planning on outlawing strip mining which would make these batteries pretty expensive when they’re already really expensive. Idk maybe it’s the route to take. Also you came rolling up in an electric car out in North Dakota lol you’d get run off bud.
Well if you read carefully you will see I did not say "batteries" anywhere because they are not the long term solution. There are other technologies in work as well. :) Just a note here you will see US coal production going down at a steady rate in fact from 2008 to 2016 down almost 38%. Natural gas will ultimately drive it into the ground because even in places where there is no natural gas infrastructure the reduced demand for coal where there is make mining costs more expensive paving the way for natural gas infrastructure to be built.

:) I would not get "run off" because I am on my own ranch. :) Now we are still drilling albeit slower drilled 10 vs the planned 30 and 10 fraqs so far this year with 2 mile laterals baby. Going to fraq 3 more next month we also sell a lot of water to the industry can pump 100k bbls a day. We are in the heart of the Wolfcamp :). Sorry but the area you are in has some low grade stuff that is high cost to produce and refine. That will never come back I am afraid. We have 20 new wells planned next year. Pads and roads going in during Late November.

Making hay while the sun shines as they say.. 15 years ago almost no activity where we are on the border with Texas north of Pecos south of Carlsbad.

Last 3 well fraq from this September. Went up in the cherry picker to take these. Lot of oil burners churning out more hp than most can imagine.

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You mean while fracking is still allowed?

(I apologize up front for being a douchebag again) ;)
Well to be just brutally honest with 100% disclosure... For me personally our ranch will be fully developed out or close to it before any actions can be taken and it will be drug out in court for years anyway. So, for my pocket book the impact will be minimal except we will not be selling water as much. That will hurt some. Still working with midstream companies on potential large compressor stations and 2 different pipelines which to come across our land is expensive and yes they pay rentals every year as well until the pipe is removed. My SUA's are from between 15 and 20 pages--they hate that I was in contracts for 34 years and yes I have fun with them especially in litigation on discharges! We are surrounded 360 degrees by BLM land for between south .5 miles to the border of Texas to 5 to 30 miles east, west and north before you see private land. :)
 
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