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They are still not legal to use. Get a real jerk LEO and you can get towed worst case. No different than using non DOT approved tires.
Honestly, not really a concern in Florida, they don't really seem to care. Hell, we have jack asses down here that drive around with their light bars on.

Diode Dynamics tested very well and I would say they are a top 5 bulb. You should check out these new Ultra Series 2 bulbs from GTR Lighting which I think might be the best LED on the market.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO8Nuj6tPy4
Thanks, I'll check them out.
 

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Considering the media coverage and general whining from people around me regarding being blinded by LED’s (OE and aftermarket), I guarantee you that there will be some sort of response. I consider some of the aftermarket LED firms attempts to match the incandescent light dispersal to be a valiant effort for compliance. All it takes is a simple ordinance to allow LEO’s to really rake in the cash. $200 is out of my price point as I’d rather spend $100 on a LED bar connected to my high beams via simple relay and have somewhat of a legal setup.
Check this out — I dealt with a Trooper that insisted that each little LED module in those long LED lightbars counts as an individual light. The Michigan Motor Vehicle Code only allows for a maximum of four headlights on at any given time. So high & low plus fog mod plus 108-led bar = 114 headlights per his interpretation. Maybe overcome it with installing a translucent lense?
The Cadillac headlights in the Escalades have like 12 LED headlight bulb modules. I’d like to see how it interprets that. Regardless, just because the DOT approves it doesn’t mean that the state shall allow it. Legal matters like this can get quite expensive for the driver. All the law enforcement office gets out of it is overtime earnings.


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No amount of claim will change the dynamics of the two.

Halogen reflectors bend and shape a 360* dispersal into a focused forward beam. Installing a strictly directional beam (LEDs) into a housing designed to bend and fold a 360, still results in a trip down clown glare lane.

Claiming the cob position is the same as the center of the halogen element...just weird science.
One's still directional, one is not.

In Texas, they finally got rid of the HID crap, failing yearly inspections if they weren't installed in a projector housing. Nice.

Now we have the LED crap to deal with at night.
Sux is back in style. omG!

But my 4800 lumens 9011s win the glare-off battle every time. :wink2:
 

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Considering the media coverage and general whining from people around me regarding being blinded by LED’s (OE and aftermarket), I guarantee you that there will be some sort of response. I consider some of the aftermarket LED firms attempts to match the incandescent light dispersal to be a valiant effort for compliance. All it takes is a simple ordinance to allow LEO’s to really rake in the cash. $200 is out of my price point as I’d rather spend $100 on a LED bar connected to my high beams via simple relay and have somewhat of a legal setup.
Check this out — I dealt with a Trooper that insisted that each little LED module in those long LED lightbars counts as an individual light. The Michigan Motor Vehicle Code only allows for a maximum of four headlights on at any given time. So high & low plus fog mod plus 108-led bar = 114 headlights per his interpretation. Maybe overcome it with installing a translucent lense?
The Cadillac headlights in the Escalades have like 12 LED headlight bulb modules. I’d like to see how it interprets that. Regardless, just because the DOT approves it doesn’t mean that the state shall allow it. Legal matters like this can get quite expensive for the driver. All the law enforcement office gets out of it is overtime earnings.

You are going to waste more time/money screwing around installing some ugly cheap lightbar that will probably have a short lifespan. Spend the extra $50-$100 on a quality set of bulbs that are plug/play with an OEM beam pattern. Then make sure your headlights are aimed properly and you are done.
 

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Considering the media coverage and general whining from people around me regarding being blinded by LED’s (OE and aftermarket), I guarantee you that there will be some sort of response. I consider some of the aftermarket LED firms attempts to match the incandescent light dispersal to be a valiant effort for compliance. All it takes is a simple ordinance to allow LEO’s to really rake in the cash. $200 is out of my price point as I’d rather spend $100 on a LED bar connected to my high beams via simple relay and have somewhat of a legal setup.
Check this out — I dealt with a Trooper that insisted that each little LED module in those long LED lightbars counts as an individual light. The Michigan Motor Vehicle Code only allows for a maximum of four headlights on at any given time. So high & low plus fog mod plus 108-led bar = 114 headlights per his interpretation. Maybe overcome it with installing a translucent lense?
The Cadillac headlights in the Escalades have like 12 LED headlight bulb modules. I’d like to see how it interprets that. Regardless, just because the DOT approves it doesn’t mean that the state shall allow it. Legal matters like this can get quite expensive for the driver. All the law enforcement office gets out of it is overtime earnings.

You are going to waste more time/money screwing around installing some ugly cheap lightbar that will probably have a short lifespan. Spend the extra $50-$100 on a quality set of bulbs that are plug/play with an OEM beam pattern. Then make sure your headlights are aimed properly and you are done.
There are ALOT of idiots in Texas who don't know you can adjust headlights!! Properly adjusted headlights and LED bulbs in a projector housing yields a pretty accurate light path and doesn't blind the oncoming driver.
 

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No amount of claim will change the dynamics of the two.

Halogen reflectors bend and shape a 360* dispersal into a focused forward beam. Installing a strictly directional beam (LEDs) into a housing designed to bend and fold a 360, still results in a trip down clown glare lane.

Claiming the cob position is the same as the center of the halogen element...just weird science.
One's still directional, one is not.

In Texas, they finally got rid of the HID crap, failing yearly inspections if they weren't installed in a projector housing. Nice.

Now we have the LED crap to deal with at night.
Sux is back in style. omG!

But my 4800 lumens 9011s win the glare-off battle every time. :wink2:

Did you watch any of the videos ? They test LED bulbs in actual headlight housings showing that the beam pattern in fact can be duplicated. The problem is there is very few companies who are spending the $$$ on R&D to put out a quality bulb that duplicates the OEM beam pattern. As with most things quality comes with a price but so many people buy the cheap junk that puts out nothing but blinding glare.
 

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There are ALOT of idiots in Texas who don't know you can adjust headlights!! Properly adjusted headlights and LED bulbs in a projector housing yields a pretty accurate light path and doesn't blind the oncoming driver.
We have plenty of idiots here in Montana that are the same way. There are so many that have the drivers side light point up and to left so it blinds you even on low beam. On Moby I have JW Speaker headlights that are ridiculously bright but have a great beam pattern. I have them adjusted per there spec and nobody flashes me when I have my low beams on.
 

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Did you watch any of the videos ?
Honestly, no. I know what I know and didn't want to waste the bandwidth. :teehee

Maybe they've come close......but they're probably all 6000k which is far from the optimum color for distance vision of the human eye at night. The correct color is too costly to produce, it seems.
 

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Honestly, no. I know what I know and didn't want to waste the bandwidth. :teehee

Maybe they've come close......but they're probably all 6000k which is far from the optimum color for distance vision of the human eye at night. The correct color is too costly to produce, it seems.
I use to be the same way when it came to LED bulbs thanks to all the people that bought the cheap glare junk. Then I started to watch all these test videos where they go in depth and talk about beam patterns, build quality, heat sink, R&D, color, lux/lumen, clocking of bulbs, etc and learned a lot.
 

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I drive 130 miles r/t for work on a 55MPH rural highway that is quite busy and I’m absolutely sick of the crappy LED’s. That goes for certain OEM’s too. I think the worst of the worst are the dudes that put a 10” lift on their ‘07+ GMT900 and then install horrible LED bulbs. It’s like a double whammy. I’m legally blind for about a minute when those dillweeds drive past me. I digress...


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Diode Dynamics is easily one of the best in the business when it comes to automotive LEDs. As far as I know they are the only company that makes an LED specifically designed for reflector housings by maintaining the same focal point as the factory incandescent bulb. That is the only LED I would recommend for use in a reflector housing.


Check out Headlight Revolution videos where they test bulbs in actual headlight housings. The biggest issue with LED bulbs is the cheap Chinese knockoffs that put out horrible beam patterns. The quality more expensive bulbs have beam patterns that match factory but are much brighter.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPcE-fWHmww

I went with the Diode Dynamic’s SL1 LED bulbs for my 2008 2500. The build quality, proper light output and 3 year warranty are worth the expense. I ran these for about a year and not once got flashed by oncoming drivers. I recently switched to the TRS LED Headlights. I moved the SL1 bulbs to my wife’s 4Runner and they work great in there as well. Here’s some pictures comparing the LED vs Stock bulb.



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I went with the Diode Dynamic’s SL1 LED bulbs for my 2008 2500. The build quality, proper light output and 3 year warranty are worth the expense. I ran these for about a year and not once got flashed by oncoming drivers. I recently switched to the TRS LED Headlights. I moved the SL1 bulbs to my wife’s 4Runner and they work great in there as well. Here’s some pictures comparing the LED vs Stock bulb.
Are there any issues with the DRLs? how do they work for the DRLs?
 

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No amount of claim will change the dynamics of the two.

Halogen reflectors bend and shape a 360* dispersal into a focused forward beam. Installing a strictly directional beam (LEDs) into a housing designed to bend and fold a 360, still results in a trip down clown glare lane.

Claiming the cob position is the same as the center of the halogen element...just weird science.
One's still directional, one is not.

In Texas, they finally got rid of the HID crap, failing yearly inspections if they weren't installed in a projector housing. Nice.

Now we have the LED crap to deal with at night.
Sux is back in style. omG!

But my 4800 lumens 9011s win the glare-off battle every time. :wink2:
not weird science, just every day run of the mill science. A photon does not care what kind of device created it. Its not like there's angry LED photons out there trying to blind everyone while the cool relaxed halogen photons just do there thing. A photon produced at the focal point of a reflector will take the same route through the reflector as any other photon traveling in the same direction in space from the same origin regardless of the source of that photon.

Were this not to be the case, things like glasses would not work as this is the same physics that allows them to function. I think many people will agree that glasses do in fact work, thus, optics is a real thing and focal length matters, ask your eye doctor.
 

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I put LEDs in as well, dont remember the brand they were middle of the road and good reviews with a adjustable focal point. I adjusted them one at a time as i changed them and left the stock bulb on the other side to start with so I could actually get about the same pattern but whiter. In the earlier days i used to run the LE's bulbs which were just more wattage, not sure if the cruisers run different bulbs than everyday citizen cars now though. Running a light bar while driving will get you a ticket every time in my county though, heaven help you if it causes a wreck. I would imagine if your lights are adjusted wrong or to bright if your in a accident and its caught you will be at fault. Any accident with a fatality is investigated thoroughly and its all checked.
 

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Just some info on what I did to the truck after reading all the much needed information and opinions from all of you. I decided that seeing as how this truck spends a lot of its day bouncing thru rough fields and back country roads, I wanted to try some less expensive lamps first just to get my feet wet so to speak. Here is what I installed:
Fog light: I used ones made by ALLA, 80w for the pair, 6000K xenon white.
H11: Beamtech 25W 6500K 8K lumens
9005: 25W 6500K 8K lumens.
I was concerned about the beam patterns( mainly because I was made aware of them here) so I performed a small test which is absolutely non-scientific.
I pulled the truck level in front of the barn(with big wide white doors) at about 30 feet away. I taped the patterns for the originals, installed the new ones and did the same. The high beams are almost dead on, and the lows are a tad wider but the same height. Output is quite a bit more and the fogs are perfect-- wider and way more light for the ditches around here.
All in about 150.00.
Never had any oncoming flash at me with the new ones, but since the truck sits pretty high, I had that happen before so expect it now. I don't think they will be as irritating as the blinding blue projector lights I see on a lot of vehicles.

I thank all of you for your comments-- helped an old man kinda figure this out. If these survive, I'll get a better grade system.
 

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I just don't get people wanting extreme bright LED lamps. (Just keep feeding the Chinese Army) The factory lamps in vehicles today r many x as bright of vehicles of 20+ years ago and they worked just fine. And then a lot of owners jack their truck up with lift kits,oversize wheel and tires and blind every other driver while not even considering to have headlamps readjusted to comply with highway safety or courtesy towards other drivers. R U people all going blind and think u need a airport runway lighting to see? And the other stupid part also is that u don't light up that much further down the highway to justify anything. Unless u enjoy other drivers squinting or flashing brights back at ya. Sorry for the rant.
 
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