straight across trade...

Hmm sounds like hes going from a Cadilac to a Chevette?

Id definatly try to talk some sense into him :Smack

thats what im saying insane in the membrane!!!!!!:spit:

let the cummins teach him.deffently wouldn't do it myself.

first of all,i have 432,000 on a 12 valve and isuzu or navistar have or will never make an engine like the tried and true 5.9.this is not my opinion,the durability facts speak for themselves.the only thing that i think,and its a know fact is,the dodge bodys are not as good as ford,chevy or the like.but,as for the drive-train,service records will and have spoken,just do some research and you will find i 'm speaking the truth.these engines have recorded in excess of 1 million miles with no failures at all.a man i know in south carolina who runs a heavy-duty trucks sales,(all brands by the way)has had the cummins with anywhere from 350,000-1,057,000 miles on them.earlier models come in with an average of 425,000.not trying to start a flame war,but these engines are the real deal,the info is out there,just look!

TYREBOYZ_DEMAXIN said:

let the cummins teach him.deffently wouldn't do it myself.

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what will it teach him.i just said what it has tought me.truck bodys are one thing,engines are another story...

you dont see high milage dmaxes because they have only been around 6 years not 20 years like the cummins, there are plenty of dmaxes pushing 500k+ so given there life span there is no durability issues with the dmax compared to the cummins!

05_LLY said:

you dont see high milage dmaxes because they have only been around 6 years not 20 years like the cummins, there are plenty of dmaxes pushing 500k+ so given there life span there is no durability issues with the dmax compared to the cummins!

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what durability issues?i've been driving trucks for 17 years,not just pick-ups like some,i'm not a dodge fan,lets get this straight,but theres never been durability issues with the 5.9.i know from friends that have the duramax that have said that they would trade back to the 5.9.now,this brings me to the performance side,i find it strange that the isuzu and the navistar fans say thier brands will out perform the 5.9 in a dead long pull,or the such.even if it would,theres not much to brag about considering the other brands are a V8 configuration up against a little old straight 6 lol...and it still gives them fits..i bet the engineers from other makes are still trying to iron this out.and by the way,my old 12 valver gets 25mpg regularly,day in day out .

my 02' lb7 gets 23 day in and day out also... my reasoning is personal experience i have worked on a horse ranch for ten years now and from what ive seen between pulling trailers and hauling hay, dodge motors just dont have the power after a few years without any engine work like the chevys and fords have....

a man i know in south carolina who runs a heavy-duty trucks sales,(all brands by the way)has had the cummins with anywhere from 350,000-1,057,000 miles on them

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Man there is a lot of difference between light duty diesels and diesels in heavy duty trucks. Thats a whole different group of engines and that kind of mileage without overhaul isn't uncommon at all.

redneck1572 said:

my 02' lb7 gets 23 day in and day out also... my reasoning is personal experience i have worked on a horse ranch for ten years now and from what ive seen between pulling trailers and hauling hay, dodge motors just dont have the power after a few years without any engine work like the chevys and fords have....

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when you say dodge motors you have to be talking about gasers...like i've said,one more time,cummins engines are the only TRUE diesel engines in the pick-up market.the isuzu and navistar are only a semi-converted deisel.just read and you will find out.

zane said:

Man there is a lot of difference between light duty diesels and diesels in heavy duty trucks. Thats a whole different group of engines and that kind of mileage without overhaul isn't uncommon at all.

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i was refering to the heavy-duty pick-up trucks zane.and yes that is a whole different group.i was an owner-operator before i went to work for the railroad,and i will say this,i have owned 2 trucks with the M11 and N14 cummins engines,and i don't really care for the class 8 cummins engine at all.as for a class 8 truck engine,a caterpillar is the only way to go.if caterpillar got into the small engine market for pick-ups the rest could hang it up because they would dominate it.

well the 5.9 is no more no offense but a good friend of mine has a 06 cummins with the manual tranny and it has 12k on it and it has been to the dealer 4 times now,the first time it was for a maf then a clutch,i forget what the rest was.also i have a tire shop so it is nothing to see up to 8 and 10 diesels a day at the shop(all brands)and the one guy he is a logger and all he has had for the last 12 years was the cummins and in the last 2 years all the new trucks he has bought are the duramax,this is what he said,the duramax drives nicer and he can keep them out of the shop and thats not just drivetrain work either for instance a 05 cummins with 15,000 hard miles and replaces the engine.right now he has 6 cummins and 3 duramaxs.ps the one duramax has 50,000 miles and has yet to go to the shop and that truck is a 05.his trucks usaully last for 5 years and his workers are very hard on trucks.

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what durability issues?i've been driving trucks for 17 years,not just pick-ups like some,i'm not a dodge fan,lets get this straight,but theres never been durability issues with the 5.9.i know from friends that have the duramax that have said that they would trade back to the 5.9.now,this brings me to the performance side,i find it strange that the isuzu and the navistar fans say thier brands will out perform the 5.9 in a dead long pull,or the such.even if it would,theres not much to brag about considering the other brands are a V8 configuration up against a little old straight 6 lol...and it still gives them fits..i bet the engineers from other makes are still trying to iron this out.and by the way,my old 12 valver gets 25mpg regularly,day in day out .

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You brought up the durability issue, i never said the Cummins has one, i simply stated the duramax dose not have one either. They are both good engines, IMO the D-Max is better but thats my oppinion, your oppinion is the cummins is better thats your oppinion but this is a dmax forum, so.........


At least we agree that if caterpillar put a diesel in a pick up it would rule!!:rockin And for the I6 vs V8 comment, you mean to tell me a 3408 cat would not out power a 3406, maybe you have never been passed by a 18 with one in it. It will even make a chipped c16 look silly???? why are all Cats big engines v engines v8, v10, v12,v16
In some form they must be better!

as for the 3408,it truely was a hoss.what spelled the end for the old V8 was the torque and emissions.the in-line engine was far more fuel friendly than the V8,and it was more torque responsive.why do you think all the major companys manf class 8 engines in an in-line.and yes,those old 3408 would run like the devil,but as for the C16 being blown away,you would be fine on flat ground,but theres always a steep hill,and that would be where the C16 was mop the old V8's butt.and by the way,you can't chip a C16E,only good codes to play it safe.

Pittsburg power makes a box "Chip" for the c16 it will put it over 800HP if you have the parts behind it to hold up!!!!!! There is a old rickety KW that runs around here with a 3408 that will make the 550 i run look like a M11 cummins??? 800+ hp trucks V8 or I6 are not uncommon here in the hills of SW PA!

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