First of all I am not a GM Hater, and this was my third Dmax from GMC. After having the truck in the dealer over 20 and having them fix none of my issues(while they got a big kick out of the whole thing) it is down the road. After having it at 5 different dealers and being completely unsatisfied with the truck GM would do nothing for me, at all. After they would not help me fix my truck right I even tried numerous times to trade it for a 2012 Dmax. It was funny when I took it in to be fixed they always told me it wasn't broken but when I tried to trade it they told me it had too many issues and they wouldn't even resell it, it would go to auction. It had between 33000 and 40000 miles with a 9' plow setup. The most a GM dealer would give me towards trade( on a $52000 new truck was $22000, I paid $45000 for mine and another $5000 for plow. I just picked up Crewmax Tundra because Toyota gave me $35500 for mine. I didn't want a Tundra but I can only be out of service for so many days when my truck is my livelihood. So far I love it, it is by far more comforatble and has towed everything I've put behind it eith ease( after beefing up suspension, sway bars, exhaust and Unichip). It doesn't have the torque my Dmax had but it does fine with my 9800 min excavator in tow. Empty vs. Empty it would blow the doors off my 10'(not my 05' though). SHAME ON YOU GM!!!!!!! I'm not hating Dmaxes(just mine) but I am hating FAIRFIELDS GMC in KEENE, NH and GM customer service. When I had my GMC's I sold quite a few for you guys and now I will do the opposite. People come up to me everyday and compliment my new truck(cause its awesome) and I tell them all the same thing- I gave up 7 years of GM loyalty because they wouldn't stand behind there product. It will start to catch on. I'm done, so bring on the hating, I know I made the right choice and I will badmouth GM to the day I die. Heyyaa
2010 GMC 3500 SRW- Worst Truck I've ever Owned(used to)
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And a few thousand auto workers build foreign cars here. Hundreds of thousands of US auto workers have lost their jobs. One of the reasons the job market is so bad.
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should have seen/heard my reaction when i pulled off my brand new gmc upgraded 20" wheels and found the China word stamped on them. so ive talked myself into believing that maybe they r used somewhere like a 5 star retreat to serve fancy food on
The best 1/2 ton pu I ever owned was a 2001 1500 silverado z71 extended cab. It had plenty of power to pull my atv's, it did ok with my camp trailer too, was quiet, dependable, fast, got 18 mpg on the highway and most of all it was paid off.
Sorry not trying to jack the thread but gm makes good gassers, or at least the did at one time. I feel your pain man that would totally piss me off if I had the same thing happen to me.
I know that this will raise a lot of eyebrows, but maybe you should look at Ford. I have a few associates that have switched over and have been very happy they did.
Good luck with the toy.
Sorry not trying to jack the thread but gm makes good gassers, or at least the did at one time. I feel your pain man that would totally piss me off if I had the same thing happen to me.
I know that this will raise a lot of eyebrows, but maybe you should look at Ford. I have a few associates that have switched over and have been very happy they did.
Good luck with the toy.
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Aren't the majority of dmax parts forged over seas..? Assembled here..
I could tell you right now that almost every one of you that modifies a dmax buys from china.
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The last three posting in this thread all have Chinese Aftermarket parts on their trucks. Just saying by yalls sig's...
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I could tell you right now that almost every one of you that modifies a dmax buys from china.
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The last three posting in this thread all have Chinese Aftermarket parts on their trucks. Just saying by yalls sig's...
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Also...I never heard a country song with the words Toyota or Honda in it.
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Speaking of gasses,the best one I ever owned was a 2010 Chevy 1/2 ton with a 6.2L in it.That truck sounded like a hot rod even while idling.Towing with it was just OK.Plenty of engine just not enough suspension.Trans temps got above 250 degrees regularly.
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I am still surprised that the OP took it to 5 different dealerships but never a smaller shop. I never take either of my diesel to the stealership. Powerstroke or duramax.
Don't be an idiot, take it to someone who knows a diesel.
Don't be an idiot, take it to someone who knows a diesel.
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No they wouldnt....
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Aside from the price of diesel, why wouldn't they? You get a lot of people that buy mini trucks. I know a few folks that would trade theirs in on a new diesel mini truck if they had the chance. Just like several folks on this website said they would trade in their DMax if there was a 1/2 ton diesel option.
Also, the majority of the folks I talk to on a daily basis have been overseas and had the chance to drive around in one (myself included). I have yet to hear form anyone that they didn't like the truck. If it were brought here being near the same quality (obviously a few things would change), once word got out about them, I believe they would sell well.
Also, the majority of the folks I talk to on a daily basis have been overseas and had the chance to drive around in one (myself included). I have yet to hear form anyone that they didn't like the truck. If it were brought here being near the same quality (obviously a few things would change), once word got out about them, I believe they would sell well.
To get a few things straight I tried like hell to get my Dmax fixed right at plenty of dealers and even a private friend who is a diesel tech for GM. He verified what I knew. He said your truck is fucked up but I may have to take the whole thing apart to find out why and to get it fixed.
GM did not warranty this truck at all. I have owned 3 Dmaxes and loved the first2.(Even though on my 01' at 72000 miles I had to replace the everything on engine except for the block and pistons for $13000- out of my pocket!!!!!!!). To all you close minded people that would follow GM off a cliff, what good does more torque do me if the truck doesn't function properly and is a danger to drive. I traded a tacoma for my 01' 3500 DRW because believe it or not I do understand that a 3500 Dmax will tow more than any Toyota(I had an 05' Dmax that would have eaten this tundra for breakfast with 7000 behind it and an empty Tundra.
The reason I got this Tundra was It is a nice truck that is capable of doing what I need to do. Most importantly though it got me out from under that 3500 while keeping most of my downpayment equity that I put down on the GMC. Considering when I bought the GMC I put $7000 cash down, had $2700 equity from my trade, put a $4000 plow on it, and made 22 payments at 0% interest. I should not be upside down in the value. The best offer I got from GM would have put me $11000 upside down on a 2012 Dmax, the worst was from the dealer I bought the truck from it would have carried over $16800 onto my new loan. That's fuckin ridiculous and insulting by them, this is the same dealer that didn't put rear diff fluid in it brand new right off the lot. The same dealer that did not fix one thing on the truck in all the times I brought it back with issues and then told me to stop bringing it to them because there was nothing they would do for me. The same dealer that refused to fix a huge amount of rust between the cab and bed that was there when I bought it becuase it was all gouged to hell when It was installed originally. They would have had to take the bed off to fix it and according to the service manager it just wasn't worth the effort because GM would prorate the warranty work and they would lose money. Even though after I told them about no fluid in the rearend they billed GM for a whole new rear end, gears, bellhousing, axled seals and fluid and they never had the truck in their possesion cause I flushed and filled it myself.
At least with this truck if I choose to buy a new diesel I will not (unjustly) be upside down and should do pretty well for trade in value.
Fairfields was extremly unproffesional for example I tried numerous time to get them to buy thtruck back from me so I could get a new Dmax from them. After literally laughing at me for suggesting a buy backN the General Manager accused me of just trying to get something for nothing(except I put $9700 and financed another $37300- that to me is hardly nothing) then he insinuated that I don't work for my money. He treated me like mommy and daddy bought me a business to occupy my time ( which they loved to waste). I assure you that I am a self made man and at 32 years old I have had nothing given too me , in fact I've had the worst possible luck anyone can have and yet I keep plugging away. In 24 months I've dealt with Cancer, a restored and then totaled Dmax(which I got blamed for and sued even though the Asshole was pulling a uturn in a 65 mph zone), a business partner I helped get started "robbed and slandered" me, Opiate addiction and rehab after breaking my lowest vertabrae, stolen identity, seperation from my wife, and dealing with this truck on top of it. I'm not whining I'm just saying the truck is the last thing I need to be dealing with on a regular basis.
So let the badmouthing start- ya I'm long winded, ya I'm a whiner, ya my truck won't tow what yours will and so on snd so on. Anyone out there who wants to bad mouth me, if you think you can hang with me come on out to NH and prove it. I'm just a guy trying to make it on my own so don't run your suck unless you wanna back it up.
As for everyone else thanks for your support! And don't take any crap from GM. There is still power in the people, no they won't listen to me but they will listen to all of you!
GM did not warranty this truck at all. I have owned 3 Dmaxes and loved the first2.(Even though on my 01' at 72000 miles I had to replace the everything on engine except for the block and pistons for $13000- out of my pocket!!!!!!!). To all you close minded people that would follow GM off a cliff, what good does more torque do me if the truck doesn't function properly and is a danger to drive. I traded a tacoma for my 01' 3500 DRW because believe it or not I do understand that a 3500 Dmax will tow more than any Toyota(I had an 05' Dmax that would have eaten this tundra for breakfast with 7000 behind it and an empty Tundra.
The reason I got this Tundra was It is a nice truck that is capable of doing what I need to do. Most importantly though it got me out from under that 3500 while keeping most of my downpayment equity that I put down on the GMC. Considering when I bought the GMC I put $7000 cash down, had $2700 equity from my trade, put a $4000 plow on it, and made 22 payments at 0% interest. I should not be upside down in the value. The best offer I got from GM would have put me $11000 upside down on a 2012 Dmax, the worst was from the dealer I bought the truck from it would have carried over $16800 onto my new loan. That's fuckin ridiculous and insulting by them, this is the same dealer that didn't put rear diff fluid in it brand new right off the lot. The same dealer that did not fix one thing on the truck in all the times I brought it back with issues and then told me to stop bringing it to them because there was nothing they would do for me. The same dealer that refused to fix a huge amount of rust between the cab and bed that was there when I bought it becuase it was all gouged to hell when It was installed originally. They would have had to take the bed off to fix it and according to the service manager it just wasn't worth the effort because GM would prorate the warranty work and they would lose money. Even though after I told them about no fluid in the rearend they billed GM for a whole new rear end, gears, bellhousing, axled seals and fluid and they never had the truck in their possesion cause I flushed and filled it myself.
At least with this truck if I choose to buy a new diesel I will not (unjustly) be upside down and should do pretty well for trade in value.
Fairfields was extremly unproffesional for example I tried numerous time to get them to buy thtruck back from me so I could get a new Dmax from them. After literally laughing at me for suggesting a buy backN the General Manager accused me of just trying to get something for nothing(except I put $9700 and financed another $37300- that to me is hardly nothing) then he insinuated that I don't work for my money. He treated me like mommy and daddy bought me a business to occupy my time ( which they loved to waste). I assure you that I am a self made man and at 32 years old I have had nothing given too me , in fact I've had the worst possible luck anyone can have and yet I keep plugging away. In 24 months I've dealt with Cancer, a restored and then totaled Dmax(which I got blamed for and sued even though the Asshole was pulling a uturn in a 65 mph zone), a business partner I helped get started "robbed and slandered" me, Opiate addiction and rehab after breaking my lowest vertabrae, stolen identity, seperation from my wife, and dealing with this truck on top of it. I'm not whining I'm just saying the truck is the last thing I need to be dealing with on a regular basis.
So let the badmouthing start- ya I'm long winded, ya I'm a whiner, ya my truck won't tow what yours will and so on snd so on. Anyone out there who wants to bad mouth me, if you think you can hang with me come on out to NH and prove it. I'm just a guy trying to make it on my own so don't run your suck unless you wanna back it up.
As for everyone else thanks for your support! And don't take any crap from GM. There is still power in the people, no they won't listen to me but they will listen to all of you!
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oh boy!!! You mean not just one person would be interested in buying a 1/2 ton dmax, BUT SEVERAL!!! HOLY SHIT!!!!! GM BETTER GET THIER ASSES IN GEAR!!!!
Those diesel toyotas are simply not fit for american roads. The NVH levels would not be up to american standards (and thus toyota would have to spend $$$$ making the things quieter, plusher, better materials in the cabin), those things dont meet US emissions standards (and thus toyota would have to spend $$$$$ EPA certifying them, they dont meet US crash tests (and thus toyota would have to spend $$$$$ redesigning them, and then another $$$$ to go through crash testing/validation).....so by the time you've done all that, you end up with a truck that:
1. costs 10k more than a gas version
2. uses more expensive fuel
3. gets maybe 5mpg better than the gas version (emissions controls)
4. is diesel...so it gets all the bad reputation in the US that goes along with diesel
5. More expensive to maintain and repair when it breaks
6. really isnt going to last much longer than a comparable gas engine
You do the math. You tell me where the big attraction/advantage is for buying this truck. Because it SOUNDS COOL? Because "OMG ITS DIESEL I LOVE EVERYTHING DIESEL!!!!!!!!"
Who the hell cares. You bring that toyota over here (or a half ton GM diesel, etc) Id be surprised if they sell 1000 of them a year. And im gonna tell you right now, selling 1,000 of them isnt even going to come CLOSE to offsetting the costs of bringing a diesel pickup truck over here! Thats laughable to think toyota will turn a profit by bringing it over here.
And the GM 1/2 ton dmax makes even less sense. I mean an optioned out GAS half ton is $50k for crying out loud. Put a diesel in it and jack up the price another $8k.
Another $2k and you could have an HD truck that will be about 5x more capable and actually be able to use all of the extra diesel torque for towing and work. The gas 1/2 ton trucks are already rated to tow 10k lbs. Its not like a diesel is going to increase that figure. Its still a freaking half ton. Yeah ok so a diesel is gonna tow that 10k more effortlessly than a gas engine, big deal. Who regularly hauls 10k lbs with their half ton anyways?
Step outside your DIESEL ROX!!!!!! shoes for a minute. Take off your blinders. Look at this from the outside, non-biased, subjective view......and you'll clearly see why anything diesel besides a true HD pickup truck or a small economy car (jetta/passat tdi/chevy cruze diesel/etc) makes absolutely ZERO sense for the US market.
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search youtube: "Bonfires and Cheap Busch Light" by Zach HinsonAlso...I never heard a country song with the words Toyota or Honda in it.
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My moms boyfriend good guy keeps up with his stuff well, goes to dealer for anything and everything on his 06 toyota tundra with 15k on it babies it and i wouldnt even say its broke in yet but the rear of they tranny was dripping he took it there and they said they didnt know they couldnt find anything? no repairs could be done they said, or quote to fix. so i told him i will fix it. all dealers are assholes weather dealing marijuana, cars, or furniture there all about screwing the working man out of there dollar for themselves. Oh and my good friend just bought a 6.0 from the dealer (junk anyway) but was decent condition used and glow plugs were setting off engine light and so on, well last week not even owning it for a month high pressure and low pressure oil pumps took a dump, cab off and hundreds into the thousands later its still a pile of shit not running yet.
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im not bad mouthing ya, hell its your money do as you wish...i was just saying it was a dumb idea based on the conditions of use
Let me make an analogy for you guys if I could. Hopefully I can write it so everyone can understand. Keep in mind you can only choose one rifle in this scenario.
Let's say that you are a proffesional hunter that hunts in grizzly country 90% of the time. You need a high powered and reliable rifle to put food on the table but its may have to drop a Grizzly too. So you go out and buy a Weatherby Mark V chambered in .338 Win mag. Most of the time the gun shoots well and is somewhat accurate, but every once in a while it won't hit a 6 foot circle, misfires, and jams up( like it did the time a grizzly was charging but then it stopped ten feet away and turned around, Lucky). You have tryed to get it fixed many, many times with no luck and It actually got worse.
The Grizzlies are restless and hungry but you must go out anyways and put some meat on the pole. - Which rifle would you take?
1. The Weatherby with all of its power that if it goes off you know will Kill.....when it functions,(knowing that it has let you down before) or
2. The Savage Model 99 that is much faster shooting and deadly accurate but is only chambered in .308 even though you have made some "hot" handloads.
Wrap you head around that for a while. I know which one I would use. And if Weatherby refused to replace the gun and made stupid suggestions like " have you tryed shooting it lefthanded? Or maybe just try to hunt where there are no Grizzlies........... Would you buy another rifle from them?
Let's say that you are a proffesional hunter that hunts in grizzly country 90% of the time. You need a high powered and reliable rifle to put food on the table but its may have to drop a Grizzly too. So you go out and buy a Weatherby Mark V chambered in .338 Win mag. Most of the time the gun shoots well and is somewhat accurate, but every once in a while it won't hit a 6 foot circle, misfires, and jams up( like it did the time a grizzly was charging but then it stopped ten feet away and turned around, Lucky). You have tryed to get it fixed many, many times with no luck and It actually got worse.
The Grizzlies are restless and hungry but you must go out anyways and put some meat on the pole. - Which rifle would you take?
1. The Weatherby with all of its power that if it goes off you know will Kill.....when it functions,(knowing that it has let you down before) or
2. The Savage Model 99 that is much faster shooting and deadly accurate but is only chambered in .308 even though you have made some "hot" handloads.
Wrap you head around that for a while. I know which one I would use. And if Weatherby refused to replace the gun and made stupid suggestions like " have you tryed shooting it lefthanded? Or maybe just try to hunt where there are no Grizzlies........... Would you buy another rifle from them?
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You can be as retarded sarcastic as you want, since apparently you don't know what sample size is..... If several folks on just this site are willing, and that is a fraction of 1% of the available target audience, then that would mean there are many many more out there.
I'm not saying that vehicle alone would turn a CEO into Bill Gates richer friend, but the market is there. But trying to say you would be surprised at them selling only 1000 is a pretty decent underexaggeration.
I've ridden in a 2010 diesel Hilux. Toyota doesn't need to spend any extra money to make it "quieter, plusher, better materials in the cabin", it was quiet, plush, and built just fine. But I guess my real world experience with them can't trump what you are wildly guessing at....
Oh and by the way, Australia's vehicle safety board (ANCAP) gave it a 4 star crash test rating. And the Holden Colorado 2.8 diesel (That would be GM's overseas diesel colorado) got a 5 star.
I do gotta ask though. If you hate all of these things about diesels, why do you own one?
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10k more? New gas van is 30k ish. Dmax 44+
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