[UTEngineer]

Installed the Banks Derringer in my 2019 L5P. Relatively simply install if you follow the directions. Had three small issues. First, had a hard time getting the TMAP sensor factory clip to release. Had to shove a small flathead screwdriver up in the slot of the connector to get it to release (poor squeeze release design in my opinion). Second was getting the Derringer wire through the grommet on the firewall going into the cab. Used two large / long flathead screwdrivers to pry back one side of the grommet and hold it open. Used a coat hanger with the Derringer wire & clip secured to the end of the coat hanger with electrical tape. Pushed it thru the firewall between the two screw drivers. The last trick was locating where the wire came thru the grommet into the cab. Don’t believe the video where it shows the guy reaching on top of the electrical junction box and pulling the wire from behind. I had to detach the electrical junction box under the dash and push it to the right so I could locate and pull the excess wire into the cab (only three nuts to unbolt). Once I saw where the wire was poking thru the firewall, glad I removed the electrical junction box, because it was located near the upper left-hand corner of the electrical junction box, where I would never have been able to reach without removing the electrical junction box.

Have not had time to drive my truck much except around town (been out of town for work). But the little I have driven it, I can already tell a significant performance difference. Most noticable is the increased throttle response. No more lag anywhere from zero to full throttle. Transmission has to relearn the shift pattern the first time in each setting, so some harder shifts were felt for the first couple takeoff shifts rotations. Shifting smoothed out quickly after those first couple stop and go’s. Currently have the Derringer in Stage 6, which is the highest sport / performance mode. Looking forward to forcing my first regen. Curious to see if I can force a mobile regen while going down the highway. Unfortunately waiting to see when the truck does it’s first regen with the iDash so I know where the GM factory setting is set at (DPF Soot Level 100% ?) Have an upcoming road trip to the gold mines in northeastern Nevada the week of the 21st. Will report more on the Derringer iDash forced regen ability after this road trip.

 

[hdrolling]

Love mine, hopefully you did al the updates to both. Derringer should be REV 5 and the Idash is 1.14, I leave my SD card loaded with the most current updates and keep it stored in the primary Idash (I have two).

The reason I do this is every so often the system has a hiccup that is easily fixed with just re-installing the updates.

 

[Worktruck17hd]

I bought my derringer used, had a lil communication issue so I after sending it in, they actually replaced the entire unit for free! I do not have the idash, just switch. But throttle response and the power incrsse is def legit! With your idsah, you can view regen but can you actually initiate and start one??

 

[UTEngineer]

q

I bought my derringer used, had a lil communication issue so I after sending it in, they actually replaced the entire unit for free! I do not have the idash, just switch. But throttle response and the power incrsse is def legit! With your idsah, you can view regen but can you actually initiate and start one??

Unsure on the ability of the iDash to initiate a manual regen. Unfortunately I have not had time to search all the iDash menus yet and verify all functionalities. Have a road trip for work the week of the 21st ... will update this post then verifying the ability to manually force a regen.

Per Banks website under product questions:

Q: Does this unit allow for a manual regen on the l5p?

Banks Power 12/17/18

A: It will allow for a stationary Regen, it will only allow a Regen if one is required.

We are all wondering what Banks means by a “stationary” regen. i.e. Does that mean truck cannot be moving during a forced regen ? , etc.

 

[hdrolling]

q

Unsure on the ability of the iDash to initiate a manual regen. Unfortunately I have not had time to search all the iDash menus yet and verify all functionalities. Have a road trip for work the week of the 21st ... will update this post then verifying the ability to manually force a regen.

Per Banks website under product questions:

Q: Does this unit allow for a manual regen on the l5p?

Banks Power 12/17/18

A: It will allow for a stationary Regen, it will only allow a Regen if one is required.

We are all wondering what Banks means by a “stationary” regen. i.e. Does that mean truck cannot be moving during a forced regen ? , etc.

For a stationary regen you have to be stopped and in parked, you should have the hood open to help keep the engine cool and make sure your exhaust is not near anything that might melt.

I believe your soot level has to be at 90% or higher before the stationary will work.

 

[UTEngineer]

For a stationary regen you have to be stopped and in parked, you should have the hood open to help keep the engine cool and make sure your exhaust is not near anything that might melt.

I believe your soot level has to be at 90% or higher before the stationary will work.

Thanks for the feedback. Next question that pops in my head ... what happens if you start a manual regen on the side of the road then drive off? Does the regen shutdown or does it complete? Not too enthused with doing a stationary regen ... already get a burning plastic / rubber smell when a regen occurs while driving around town at slow speeds. Definitely a functionality Banks needs to update in one of their firmware updates. There must be some reason behind why they only offer a manual stationary regen vs the CTS that offers a mobile regen functionality.

 

[hdrolling]

Thanks for the feedback. Next question that pops in my head ... what happens if you start a manual regen on the side of the road then drive off? Does the regen shutdown or does it complete? Not too enthused with doing a stationary regen ... already get a burning plastic / rubber smell when a regen occurs while driving around town at slow speeds. Definitely a functionality Banks needs to update in one of their firmware updates. There must be some reason behind why they only offer a manual stationary regen vs the CTS that offers a mobile regen functionality.

Derringer and Idash are getting updates all the time and their newly released, CTS has been out for years.

I'm guessing since the truck does a mobile regen on it's own at 90% soot Banks didn't see a need to add the option.

 

[royg6677]

IDash

Derringer and Idash are getting updates all the time and their newly released, CTS has been out for years.

I'm guessing since the truck does a mobile regen on it's own at 90% soot Banks didn't see a need to add the option.

I just talked with a tech from Banks this week about the regen feature of the Idash. He told me their thinking on the regen was if the auto regen was started it was intend to be used to complete the process stationary. It can only be used parked.

 

[wq93]

royg6677, Thanks for the update and that means CTS for me because I want the ability to be able to trigger a regen at the start of a drive when it is approaching the point where the system would call for a regen. I do a lot of moderate to long open road trips and I would rather start a regen slightly early than have it start during one of the few times I am running short trips in stop and go traffic. I fully understand that GM intends for the system to be largely invisible in operation to the owner but having stopped in my garage early in ownership while it was in regen I can do without the stench and the afterboil into the coolant recovery system that comes with interrupting a regen in progress. And the different driving characteristics in stop and go during a regen are very noticeable.

 

[hdrolling]

royg6677, Thanks for the update and that means CTS for me because I want the ability to be able to trigger a regen at the start of a drive when it is approaching the point where the system would call for a regen. I do a lot of moderate to long open road trips and I would rather start a regen slightly early than have it start during one of the few times I am running short trips in stop and go traffic. I fully understand that GM intends for the system to be largely invisible in operation to the owner but having stopped in my garage early in ownership while it was in regen I can do without the stench and the afterboil into the coolant recovery system that comes with interrupting a regen in progress. And the different driving characteristics in stop and go during a regen are very noticeable.

The CTS is great, but doesn't work with the derringer. If I was looking for a gauge only and no performance gains I would have kept my CTS II.

 

[royg6677]

wq93

I sent a email to edge to find out what their unite can monitor on the 2019 L5P now. I have communicated with them in the past and some of what they advertise on their site does not happen at this time with some years of the L5P. For 1 they cannot read injector balance. I do not think they are able read DEF level either. I can update you later if they reply if you are interested. I know the earliest year of the L5P they have more information they can monitor.

 

[wq93]

Thank you and I am very interested in what you find out. I had planned to buy a monitor already but have held off waiting for more information.

I am not too concerned about DEF level because I am OK with the level of information provided by the truck; based upon the available GM DEF messages in the DIC and warnings area, I suspect the level sensor only provides an indication of level once the DEF tank is below the halfway full point so there isn't enough information for the Edge to provide a true display of level as it operates. DEF is highly corrosive so typical fluid level sensors aren't useful and a sensor designed to read the full range of tank level would be more expensive so it provides the necessary information but not all of the desired information. DEF injection rate is supposed to be around 2% of fuel usage but can vary in the 1-3% range and if there is a NOX sensor issue DEF injection rate will go up (or down if the NOX sensor fails in a user friendly manner).

I am surprised that they cannot read injector balance.

 

[royg6677]

Thank you and I am very interested in what you find out. I had planned to buy a monitor already but have held off waiting for more information.

I am not too concerned about DEF level because I am OK with the level of information provided by the truck; based upon the available GM DEF messages in the DIC and warnings area, I suspect the level sensor only provides an indication of level once the DEF tank is below the halfway full point so there isn't enough information for the Edge to provide a true display of level as it operates. DEF is highly corrosive so typical fluid level sensors aren't useful and a sensor designed to read the full range of tank level would be more expensive so it provides the necessary information but not all of the desired information. DEF injection rate is supposed to be around 2% of fuel usage but can vary in the 1-3% range and if there is a NOX sensor issue DEF injection rate will go up (or down if the NOX sensor fails in a user friendly manner).

I am surprised that they cannot read injector balance.

to tech@edgeproducts.com

What PIDs are the CTS2 capabilities at this time for a 2019 GMC 3500HD 6.6L? I am looking at the Banks iDash and CTS2 trying to make a decision.
Here is the response that I received.

PTEdgeTech
2:58 PM (1 hour ago)
to me

Good Morning,

Below is the list for of the PIDS for your application. Let us know if you have any questions.


2017-2019 GM L5P

Engine Load
Engine Coolant Temp
Fuel Pressure
Engine RPM
Mass Air Flow
Engine Run Time
Fuel Level Remaining
Barometric Pressure
Battery Voltage
Accel Pedal Position
Desired Idle RPM
Distance Since Regen
Trans Fluid Temp
Turbo Vane Position
Fuel Temperature
Manifold Abs Pressure
Desired FRP
Main Injection Timing
Urea Pressure
Urea Fluid Temp
Ambient Air Temp
Fuel Rail Pressure
Start Up Intake Air Temp
Distance Code Cleared
Warm Ups W/out Non E Malf
Warm Ups W/out Emiss Malf
EGT Exhaust Manifold
EGT1 Post Turbo
EGT2 Post CCDOC/Pre SCR
EGT3 Post SCR/Pre DPFDOC
EGT4 Post DPFDOC/Pre DPF
EGT5 Post DPF
Soot Accumulation
Intake Air Temp
Gear & TCL
Turbo Boost
Corrected Speed
Mileage Inst.
Mileage Avg.
Mileage Coach
Run Time
Trip Odometer
G Force Lateral
G Force Calculated
Percent Grade
Horse Power
Torque
G Force
Regeneration Status
The question and answer were copy and paste from email sent and received

Hope this helps.

 

[tobyhd02]

Hello, I'm new to the diesel game, just bought a 2019 2500 LTZ. I have just spent 2 plus hours reading about the Banks derringer. I have a couple questions and statements I need clarification on.
Does this void the warrantee? can the dealership even tell, if you unplug it?
if I don't go with the derringer, do the I-dash and the Edge CTS-II basically monitor the same things?, with the CTS being able to force Regeneration at any percentage, and the banks only at or above 90%. Thank you for the help.

 

[royg6677]

Hello, I'm new to the diesel game, just bought a 2019 2500 LTZ. I have just spent 2 plus hours reading about the Banks derringer. I have a couple questions and statements I need clarification on.
Does this void the warrantee? can the dealership even tell, if you unplug it?
if I don't go with the derringer, do the I-dash and the Edge CTS-II basically monitor the same things?, with the CTS being able to force Regeneration at any percentage, and the banks only at or above 90%. Thank you for the help.

The Banks can only force a stationary regen ( Trans must be in Park ) the CTS2 can force a regen while driving. The Banks and the CTS2 monitor most of the same items but there are some differences. See my post above #13 this is what the CTS2 tech sent me on a email. I do not have either yet I still am waiting my new and first diesel. IMO they both have a couple of advantages over the other but the CTS2 is the one I think I will go with because I like the feature that you can force a regen while driving. I hope in the future that the CTS2 will be able to read injector balance.

 

[tobyhd02]

Roy,

Thanks for the info, I was leaning that way as well, I am researching the derringer part of this equation... I just don't want it to void the 100000 mile warrantee. I like this forum, there is tons of info!

 

[sailor9908]

Currently the iDash can display up to 123 different parameters. With the last firmware update each iDash is now capable of displaying up to 5 different pages (8 parameters per page) on a single gauge. You can also initiate a regen on the go, basically no matter the soot level once the truck is at temps and mobile regen is initiated the truck will begin a regen the next time you start driving.

To answer a few more questions, thanks to GM not putting an actual def quantity/level sensor it will only show you when you hit 40% or less. The iDash can show you injector balance rates as well.

 

[tobyhd02]

So they added the ability to regain on the go! thats good news. It doest make my decision any easier though. I do however like the smaller foot print of the iDash. Thanks for the update.

 

[royg6677]

Currently the iDash can display up to 123 different parameters. With the last firmware update each iDash is now capable of displaying up to 5 different pages (8 parameters per page) on a single gauge. You can also initiate a regen on the go, basically no matter the soot level once the truck is at temps and mobile regen is initiated the truck will begin a regen the next time you start driving.

To answer a few more questions, thanks to GM not putting an actual def quantity/level sensor it will only show you when you hit 40% or less. The iDash can show you injector balance rates as well.

Thanks for the update. I will have to way the pros and cons of the CTS2 and the Banks unite. I will also have to contact Banks and see if their IDash unite can read trouble codes.

 

[sailor9908]

Thanks for the update. I will have to way the pros and cons of the CTS2 and the Banks unite. I will also have to contact Banks and see if their IDash unite can read trouble codes.

Yes the iDash can read and clear trouble codes